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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 08:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Justin, great blog.  Love reading.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For an interesting read (and maybe you&#039;re already in the know) check out William Lobdell&#039;s &#039;Losing My Religion: How I Lost My Faith Reporting on Religion in America-and Found Unexpected Peace&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Justin, great blog.  Love reading.  </p>
<p>For an interesting read (and maybe you&#39;re already in the know) check out William Lobdell&#39;s &#39;Losing My Religion: How I Lost My Faith Reporting on Religion in America-and Found Unexpected Peace&#39;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/losing-my-religion/comment-page-1#comment-3322</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Justin, great blog.  Love reading.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For an interesting read (and maybe you&#039;re already in the know) check out William Lobdell&#039;s &#039;Losing My Religion: How I Lost My Faith Reporting on Religion in America-and Found Unexpected Peace&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Justin, great blog.  Love reading.  </p>
<p>For an interesting read (and maybe you&#39;re already in the know) check out William Lobdell&#39;s &#39;Losing My Religion: How I Lost My Faith Reporting on Religion in America-and Found Unexpected Peace&#39;</p>
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		<title>By: Mikes Sumondong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikes Sumondong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad i read this post! I&#039;m giving up religion as well and focus more on developing my relationship with Jesus christ! God bless you Justin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m glad i read this post! I&#39;m giving up religion as well and focus more on developing my relationship with Jesus christ! God bless you Justin!</p>
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		<title>By: brynelewisallport</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/losing-my-religion/comment-page-1#comment-2651</link>
		<dc:creator>brynelewisallport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my friend, you should be especially mindful of babies and bathwater at the moment. :)  yes, that is what i&#039;m saying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;relatedly, i have a real pet peeve when i hear christians disown other christians with the verdict &quot;well, they&#039;re not real/christ-like/living christians.&quot; i think it&#039;s time to take responsibility for our church with all its faults instead of constantly trying to pare down to something in the name of authenticity or sincerity. instead of distancing ourselves from misbehaviors of our members, the failings of our religion, what would it look like if we as a church to acknowledged our relationship with it and allowed ourselves to be wounded by it? i&#039;m not sure there&#039;s been a &quot;weeping over jerusalem&quot; in the american church, a real grieving over our lack or health and unity. thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my friend, you should be especially mindful of babies and bathwater at the moment. <img src='http://bedeviant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   yes, that is what i&#39;m saying.</p>
<p>relatedly, i have a real pet peeve when i hear christians disown other christians with the verdict &#8220;well, they&#39;re not real/christ-like/living christians.&#8221; i think it&#39;s time to take responsibility for our church with all its faults instead of constantly trying to pare down to something in the name of authenticity or sincerity. instead of distancing ourselves from misbehaviors of our members, the failings of our religion, what would it look like if we as a church to acknowledged our relationship with it and allowed ourselves to be wounded by it? i&#39;m not sure there&#39;s been a &#8220;weeping over jerusalem&#8221; in the american church, a real grieving over our lack or health and unity. thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: kt_writes</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/losing-my-religion/comment-page-1#comment-2649</link>
		<dc:creator>kt_writes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad you&#039;re following up on this! I figured you were in your own mind and heart, but I couldn&#039;t help being curious about how it would play out. Too often I &quot;decide&quot; I&#039;m going to do something like this, but end up doing nothing because there&#039;s not enough concrete mixed in with the abstract.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I LOVE your third point. I have grown so much in this way (and by seeing people more this way) in the past few years. I&#039;m still working on it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your second point is humbling and critical. Even though I&#039;m not writing sermons, I can easily apply the heart of that to aspects of my own life.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I&#039;m still wondering about your first point. I get it, but I&#039;m just wondering how you work at *doing* it. I&#039;m not trying to be a pain, but maybe you can elaborate on that next? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m so glad you&#39;re following up on this! I figured you were in your own mind and heart, but I couldn&#39;t help being curious about how it would play out. Too often I &#8220;decide&#8221; I&#39;m going to do something like this, but end up doing nothing because there&#39;s not enough concrete mixed in with the abstract.</p>
<p>I LOVE your third point. I have grown so much in this way (and by seeing people more this way) in the past few years. I&#39;m still working on it.</p>
<p>Your second point is humbling and critical. Even though I&#39;m not writing sermons, I can easily apply the heart of that to aspects of my own life.</p>
<p>But I&#39;m still wondering about your first point. I get it, but I&#39;m just wondering how you work at *doing* it. I&#39;m not trying to be a pain, but maybe you can elaborate on that next? <img src='http://bedeviant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Justin Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryne ... That&#039;s why I like you. You&#039;re never afraid to lay it down! I appreciate that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, I have a few counterpoints: I hear you saying that the driving force behind religion, at least properly practiced religion, is worshiping God in a communal setting. Totally agree. My whole purpose in &quot;losing my religion&quot; is that it actually repels people from community! I have seen the dark side of religion far too often.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I also see your perspective in that religion practiced rightly actually bonds those practicing into tighter bonds of community. This is religion practiced rightly. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One need not throw the baby out with the bathwater. That&#039;s what I hear you saying, yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryne &#8230; That&#39;s why I like you. You&#39;re never afraid to lay it down! I appreciate that.</p>
<p>That said, I have a few counterpoints: I hear you saying that the driving force behind religion, at least properly practiced religion, is worshiping God in a communal setting. Totally agree. My whole purpose in &#8220;losing my religion&#8221; is that it actually repels people from community! I have seen the dark side of religion far too often.</p>
<p>However, I also see your perspective in that religion practiced rightly actually bonds those practicing into tighter bonds of community. This is religion practiced rightly. </p>
<p>One need not throw the baby out with the bathwater. That&#39;s what I hear you saying, yes?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Sandell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Sandell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  One step towards losing my religion has been to constantly ask myself a question I believe Anne Lamott put on the table in Bird by Bird: How / in what ways am I creating God in my image?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  One step towards losing my religion has been to constantly ask myself a question I believe Anne Lamott put on the table in Bird by Bird: How / in what ways am I creating God in my image?</p>
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		<title>By: brynelewisallport</title>
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		<dc:creator>brynelewisallport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and not to belabor the point, but the fact that human beings are made in god&#039;s image means that god&#039;s revelation is most literally man-made. this is why god prohibits idols carved in god&#039;s image- god started this whole business by making his own.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;sorry, my field is anthropology after all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and not to belabor the point, but the fact that human beings are made in god&#39;s image means that god&#39;s revelation is most literally man-made. this is why god prohibits idols carved in god&#39;s image- god started this whole business by making his own.</p>
<p>sorry, my field is anthropology after all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: amydau</title>
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		<dc:creator>amydau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is (what I think is) an excellent sermon about this topic....following Jesus&#039; leadership, even in our spiritual lives. &lt;a href=&quot;http://joannareyburn.com/audio/grumpy-dead&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://joannareyburn.com/audio/grumpy-dead&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Isn&#039;t it funny how we talk about trusting Jesus with our money, with our relationships, with our time, with fill in the blank. However, we rarely talk about trusting Jesus fully with our spiritual journey (or development or &quot;walk&quot; or whatever you want to call it). He is FULLY trustworthy, the Father has FULLY trusted Him to redeem humanity. And I have a hard time trusting Him to lead &quot;MY quiet time&quot;...sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is (what I think is) an excellent sermon about this topic&#8230;.following Jesus&#39; leadership, even in our spiritual lives. <a href="http://joannareyburn.com/audio/grumpy-dead" rel="nofollow">http://joannareyburn.com/audio/grumpy-dead</a></p>
<p>Isn&#39;t it funny how we talk about trusting Jesus with our money, with our relationships, with our time, with fill in the blank. However, we rarely talk about trusting Jesus fully with our spiritual journey (or development or &#8220;walk&#8221; or whatever you want to call it). He is FULLY trustworthy, the Father has FULLY trusted Him to redeem humanity. And I have a hard time trusting Him to lead &#8220;MY quiet time&#8221;&#8230;sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: brynelewisallport</title>
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		<dc:creator>brynelewisallport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>carl jung differentiates between religion working well and religion working badly (i think he calls the bad ones creeds or something, but i could look it up for you). i think it&#039;s a useful distinction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;for example, the above verse seems to be criticizing people&#039;s practice of religion and not religion itself. what we have to keep in mind is that judaism, according to tradition, was prescribed by God. all those rituals and high holy days and cleanliness codes were God&#039;s living word to them. it&#039;s like the builders over looking the chief cornerstone verse. the verse doesn&#039;t say that the practice of building is bad, or even that the building was not up to code. it was that the practice went wrong somewhere. all of those kinds of verses (and the vocation of prophets) are calls to practice religion better, not stop practicing all together.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i completely understand and sympathize with your concern. i also appreciate you raising the issue, but i think as americans in particular we are too quick to dispense with community in favor of lone-wolf style expression (not that i&#039;m accusing you of being the next una-bomber or anything). community is messy and slow, but the church is a community which requires structure and stability, that is to say religion. the real trick in practice, i think, is to keep religion vibrant and responsive while protecting its constancy and ability to bring disparate peoples together under the same gospel. as far as theology is concerned, i think we need to regroup around the idea of religion, arrive at an idea of what exactly its best used for. i have some ideas about that, but i&#039;ll save them for later.... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carl jung differentiates between religion working well and religion working badly (i think he calls the bad ones creeds or something, but i could look it up for you). i think it&#39;s a useful distinction.</p>
<p>for example, the above verse seems to be criticizing people&#39;s practice of religion and not religion itself. what we have to keep in mind is that judaism, according to tradition, was prescribed by God. all those rituals and high holy days and cleanliness codes were God&#39;s living word to them. it&#39;s like the builders over looking the chief cornerstone verse. the verse doesn&#39;t say that the practice of building is bad, or even that the building was not up to code. it was that the practice went wrong somewhere. all of those kinds of verses (and the vocation of prophets) are calls to practice religion better, not stop practicing all together.</p>
<p>i completely understand and sympathize with your concern. i also appreciate you raising the issue, but i think as americans in particular we are too quick to dispense with community in favor of lone-wolf style expression (not that i&#39;m accusing you of being the next una-bomber or anything). community is messy and slow, but the church is a community which requires structure and stability, that is to say religion. the real trick in practice, i think, is to keep religion vibrant and responsive while protecting its constancy and ability to bring disparate peoples together under the same gospel. as far as theology is concerned, i think we need to regroup around the idea of religion, arrive at an idea of what exactly its best used for. i have some ideas about that, but i&#39;ll save them for later&#8230;. <img src='http://bedeviant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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