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		<title>By: blogs I read - BeDeviant (johngruber 2.0)</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>blogs I read - BeDeviant (johngruber 2.0)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Phillip Gibb</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1190</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Gibb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clever shirt, some people might think that it is slightly cheesy but I reckon that it&#039;s clever, ha ha ha. 
Anyway - Social Media is about connections, about reaching out and being a part of something bigger? And Christianity is not? Hmmm. We as Christians should be leveraging the need to be connected in order to get people connected to Christ. Word :-) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clever shirt, some people might think that it is slightly cheesy but I reckon that it&#039;s clever, ha ha ha.<br />
Anyway &#8211; Social Media is about connections, about reaching out and being a part of something bigger? And Christianity is not? Hmmm. We as Christians should be leveraging the need to be connected in order to get people connected to Christ. Word <img src='http://bedeviant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1180</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 23:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I&#039;m done being silly and have a bit more time to post, I want to say something about the Christian Ghetto as you&#039;ve termed it Justin, and answer your query about having seen the mindset at work.   
 
I once belonged to an online message board designed for Christian mothers.  The purpose of the group is to encourage at-home motherhood and in a Christian setting.  The problem was that some of the Christians (me included) just weren&#039;t Christian enough for some of the others.  Those women had formed what I had termed at the time, a Christian Club (much like the Christian Ghetto, I believe though there was probably coffee served and donuts that everyone wanted to eat, but no one dared to eat because one might be seen eating a high calorie item in front of other women - a taboo!! But I digress...).  The purpose of the Christian Club, in their minds, was to enlighten the unenlightened.  The reality though was to shoot down anything that was not Christian enough (Catholics are not Christian enough, for example.  Obama...not Christian enough, pretty much anyone who didn&#039;t think exactly like them was not Christian enough) and then all pat themselves on the back and smile and be happy that they had won a victory against the misguided ones.   
 
It was...weird.  And depressing.  And ultimately I left the message board and sit here today, working on rebuilding my own relationship with God, which was severely damaged by being told over and over that I was doing it wrong, because I wasn&#039;t doing it like them.  It&#039;s one of the reasons I deeply appreciate many of your posts about WHO God is and WHAT he&#039;s called us to do, namely to love His people just as they are and mind my own salvation because that&#039;s the one I am ultimately responsible for. 
 
Anyway, while the shirts and the like are more on the silly side, there is a serious problem with that clique-y/club-y mindset.  And it boils down to the message that&#039;s ultimately sent...I believe the women on that board truly felt they were correcting my &quot;lack&quot; in a loving and compassionate way.  In reality, their words pushed me further out the door and made me think, if that&#039;s what it takes to be like them, I don&#039;t want to be like them at all.  
 
And also...I think the song goes &quot;They will know we are Christian by our love&quot; not by our t-shirt. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I&#039;m done being silly and have a bit more time to post, I want to say something about the Christian Ghetto as you&#039;ve termed it Justin, and answer your query about having seen the mindset at work.   </p>
<p>I once belonged to an online message board designed for Christian mothers.  The purpose of the group is to encourage at-home motherhood and in a Christian setting.  The problem was that some of the Christians (me included) just weren&#039;t Christian enough for some of the others.  Those women had formed what I had termed at the time, a Christian Club (much like the Christian Ghetto, I believe though there was probably coffee served and donuts that everyone wanted to eat, but no one dared to eat because one might be seen eating a high calorie item in front of other women &#8211; a taboo!! But I digress&#8230;).  The purpose of the Christian Club, in their minds, was to enlighten the unenlightened.  The reality though was to shoot down anything that was not Christian enough (Catholics are not Christian enough, for example.  Obama&#8230;not Christian enough, pretty much anyone who didn&#039;t think exactly like them was not Christian enough) and then all pat themselves on the back and smile and be happy that they had won a victory against the misguided ones.   </p>
<p>It was&#8230;weird.  And depressing.  And ultimately I left the message board and sit here today, working on rebuilding my own relationship with God, which was severely damaged by being told over and over that I was doing it wrong, because I wasn&#039;t doing it like them.  It&#039;s one of the reasons I deeply appreciate many of your posts about WHO God is and WHAT he&#039;s called us to do, namely to love His people just as they are and mind my own salvation because that&#039;s the one I am ultimately responsible for. </p>
<p>Anyway, while the shirts and the like are more on the silly side, there is a serious problem with that clique-y/club-y mindset.  And it boils down to the message that&#039;s ultimately sent&#8230;I believe the women on that board truly felt they were correcting my &quot;lack&quot; in a loving and compassionate way.  In reality, their words pushed me further out the door and made me think, if that&#039;s what it takes to be like them, I don&#039;t want to be like them at all.  </p>
<p>And also&#8230;I think the song goes &quot;They will know we are Christian by our love&quot; not by our t-shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Wise</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1179</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. This is a good reminder, my friend. If cheesy Christian t-shirts are the worst things we have to worry about, life is pretty good! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. This is a good reminder, my friend. If cheesy Christian t-shirts are the worst things we have to worry about, life is pretty good!</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Henry</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1178</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin, thanks for this post. Susan: hilarious! Dan Bryan, good comment: 
 
&lt;quote&gt; To add context, I am a religious person. I just struggle when our causes and messages about God become something to be bought and sold. ...this T-shirt is different. It cheapens the message by failing to create its own contextual artistic expression. &lt;unquote&gt; 
 
Actually, it does create its own contextual artistic expression: &quot;messages about God are something to be bought and sold.&quot; 
 
If we are honest, however, as bad as aesthetes and design-ophiles find this kind of thing to be (it is very bad), we bring a certain amount of cultural snobbery to this discussion. There is something very simple about these &quot;pick up lines&quot; that don&#039;t work for people who read The New Yorker or Slate or listen to NPR, but that would work for people who come from a different socio-economic and cultural background. 
 
So, as always, we must mind our idols of preference. Or, as I&#039;ve heard it said, &quot;All an Englishman&#039;s preferences are a matter of principle.&quot; 
 
One other observation: Justin writes that Starbucks &quot;fails to convey the reality of Christ.&quot; I&#039;d modify this slightly: &quot;...fails to communicate the total reality of Christ.&quot; I think it does communicate, in part, in portions, in micro, some aspects of the reality of Christ. 
 
Justin, thanks again for your insights. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin, thanks for this post. Susan: hilarious! Dan Bryan, good comment: </p>
<p>&lt;quote&gt; To add context, I am a religious person. I just struggle when our causes and messages about God become something to be bought and sold. &#8230;this T-shirt is different. It cheapens the message by failing to create its own contextual artistic expression. &lt;unquote&gt; </p>
<p>Actually, it does create its own contextual artistic expression: &quot;messages about God are something to be bought and sold.&quot; </p>
<p>If we are honest, however, as bad as aesthetes and design-ophiles find this kind of thing to be (it is very bad), we bring a certain amount of cultural snobbery to this discussion. There is something very simple about these &quot;pick up lines&quot; that don&#039;t work for people who read The New Yorker or Slate or listen to NPR, but that would work for people who come from a different socio-economic and cultural background. </p>
<p>So, as always, we must mind our idols of preference. Or, as I&#039;ve heard it said, &quot;All an Englishman&#039;s preferences are a matter of principle.&quot; </p>
<p>One other observation: Justin writes that Starbucks &quot;fails to convey the reality of Christ.&quot; I&#039;d modify this slightly: &quot;&#8230;fails to communicate the total reality of Christ.&quot; I think it does communicate, in part, in portions, in micro, some aspects of the reality of Christ. </p>
<p>Justin, thanks again for your insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1177</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 02:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me but &quot;faithbook&quot; just sounds like someone&#039;s got a lisp.  Go on...say it out loud...you&#039;ll see what I mean. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me but &quot;faithbook&quot; just sounds like someone&#039;s got a lisp.  Go on&#8230;say it out loud&#8230;you&#039;ll see what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross_Hesseltine</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1176</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross_Hesseltine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 02:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have always, and will always continue, to like these shirts! Mainly, because they are quite helpful in a getting a good laugh brewing from deep down. But they are well intentioned, these shirts could be easily worn by a person that is looking to start a conversation with his/her friends or classmates, coworkers, or complete strangers. What better way to start a conversation, then with a cheesy &quot;pick-up&quot; line.. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have always, and will always continue, to like these shirts! Mainly, because they are quite helpful in a getting a good laugh brewing from deep down. But they are well intentioned, these shirts could be easily worn by a person that is looking to start a conversation with his/her friends or classmates, coworkers, or complete strangers. What better way to start a conversation, then with a cheesy &quot;pick-up&quot; line..</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Wise</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I follow the teachings of Jesus. I don&#039;t think Jesus would have a problem with Starbucks. I also think this T-shirt has pretty much nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.&quot; 
 
YES. 
 
Starbucks is not bad, but Starbucks fails to convey the reality of Christ. As such, we should let Starbucks make coffee and Christians can concentrate on letting God breath his reality through us in new, beautiful, and scary ways! 
 
You lay that smack down on the SP, my brother! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I follow the teachings of Jesus. I don&#039;t think Jesus would have a problem with Starbucks. I also think this T-shirt has pretty much nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.&quot; </p>
<p>YES. </p>
<p>Starbucks is not bad, but Starbucks fails to convey the reality of Christ. As such, we should let Starbucks make coffee and Christians can concentrate on letting God breath his reality through us in new, beautiful, and scary ways! </p>
<p>You lay that smack down on the SP, my brother!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Wise</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost put the &#039;MySpace&quot; one up... It was as equally as heinous. Yeesh. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost put the &#039;MySpace&quot; one up&#8230; It was as equally as heinous. Yeesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Wise</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/in-the-ghetto/comment-page-1#comment-1172</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, dear brother. Noted and fixed! </description>
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