Comments on: Closed Platforms Are Dead http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead Faith & Culture Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:29:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Daniel Berman http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-4497 Daniel Berman Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:26:56 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-4497 And in fact the authority structure can be still there, its just important for our pastors to realize that it needs to be expressed differently. They must continue to work toward being influencers or they will become irrelevant. If not within the church, definitely outside..... And in fact the authority structure can be still there, its just important for our pastors to realize that it needs to be expressed differently. They must continue to work toward being influencers or they will become irrelevant. If not within the church, definitely outside…..

]]> By: Justin Wise http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-4496 Justin Wise Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:17:53 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-4496 You point out the weakness of "blurring the lines" ... Someone's got to be in charge! While I don't think doing away with structural authority is wise (or even the point), I think we would both agree that some things need to change.<br><br>I like what Kyle said earlier, we are moving from an expert-based church to a community model. I like that. You point out the weakness of “blurring the lines” … Someone's got to be in charge! While I don't think doing away with structural authority is wise (or even the point), I think we would both agree that some things need to change.

I like what Kyle said earlier, we are moving from an expert-based church to a community model. I like that.

]]> By: Daniel Berman http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2684 Daniel Berman Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:26:56 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2684 And in fact the authority structure can be still there, its just important for our pastors to realize that it needs to be expressed differently. They must continue to work toward being influencers or they will become irrelevant. If not within the church, definitely outside..... And in fact the authority structure can be still there, its just important for our pastors to realize that it needs to be expressed differently. They must continue to work toward being influencers or they will become irrelevant. If not within the church, definitely outside…..

]]> By: Justin Wise http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2683 Justin Wise Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:17:53 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2683 You point out the weakness of "blurring the lines" ... Someone's got to be in charge! While I don't think doing away with structural authority is wise (or even the point), I think we would both agree that some things need to change.<br><br>I like what Kyle said earlier, we are moving from an expert-based church to a community model. I like that. You point out the weakness of “blurring the lines” … Someone's got to be in charge! While I don't think doing away with structural authority is wise (or even the point), I think we would both agree that some things need to change.

I like what Kyle said earlier, we are moving from an expert-based church to a community model. I like that.

]]> By: Daniel Berman http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2682 Daniel Berman Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:30:07 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2682 Along the lines of realizing that everyone is responsible for the health and welfare of the Church I heartily agree that their needs to be continued blurring of the lines between Clergy and Laity. That said its important to remember that their is a biblical basic of church leaders being a part of the organizational structure. Somebody has to make the final descisions, how that person is located, and appointed is a whole different matter.<br><br>Church Buildings absolutely. There is definitely a place where people begin to think that its special because its their "church." God sent us into this world to serve and reflect Him. That means with our actions, our time, and our resources including our church buildings.<br><br>Your third idea is a good one, but a challenging one to implement. Ultimately though I think it would happen if we placed a high enough priority on member development as a means to the end of proclaiming the gospel in our neighborhoods, our cities, and around the world. Along the lines of realizing that everyone is responsible for the health and welfare of the Church I heartily agree that their needs to be continued blurring of the lines between Clergy and Laity. That said its important to remember that their is a biblical basic of church leaders being a part of the organizational structure. Somebody has to make the final descisions, how that person is located, and appointed is a whole different matter.

Church Buildings absolutely. There is definitely a place where people begin to think that its special because its their “church.” God sent us into this world to serve and reflect Him. That means with our actions, our time, and our resources including our church buildings.

Your third idea is a good one, but a challenging one to implement. Ultimately though I think it would happen if we placed a high enough priority on member development as a means to the end of proclaiming the gospel in our neighborhoods, our cities, and around the world.

]]> By: sammahlstadt http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2680 sammahlstadt Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:09:59 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2680 Great thoughts here. I think the open source concept will be the next movement in the church (I would say revival, but I don't think people will recognize it as such). Open source, to me, is getting back to how the Church was purposed and destined to function. Great thoughts here. I think the open source concept will be the next movement in the church (I would say revival, but I don't think people will recognize it as such). Open source, to me, is getting back to how the Church was purposed and destined to function.

]]> By: Tony Simoncini http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2678 Tony Simoncini Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:24:02 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2678 You know it's funny you post something like this because it's exactly what I see the next generation church becoming. More of a community center that the church just happens to use from time to time. I drive by churches that are big, small, and everything in between and most of them are empty 4-5 days a week. What if the church decided the building had to be used 6 days a week... maybe the building gets a sabbath too : )<br><br>I think your right on... the church should be a safe place the addict can hang out at a meeting, and a place to sleep for the homeless family trying to figure out their next step, and it could be a place that allowed people in the community to hold meetings there, and the meeting has nothing to do with church! The church people, and the church building can become all things to all men!<br><br>And the church should be the place that is open and looking for and creating the platforms for their people to get more involved and sharing with everyone else what God is doing in them. Its this sharing that launches people into changing their lives forever because of the good news! Its time for the lines to be blurred because Pastors can't pastor everyone at their church. no staff can adequately do what the modern day pastor has been told to do... meet their needs! We are the body, and we need to start meeting needs when we see them instead of taking the stance, "thats what he/she gets paid for". <br>Peace<br>Tony You know it's funny you post something like this because it's exactly what I see the next generation church becoming. More of a community center that the church just happens to use from time to time. I drive by churches that are big, small, and everything in between and most of them are empty 4-5 days a week. What if the church decided the building had to be used 6 days a week… maybe the building gets a sabbath too : )

I think your right on… the church should be a safe place the addict can hang out at a meeting, and a place to sleep for the homeless family trying to figure out their next step, and it could be a place that allowed people in the community to hold meetings there, and the meeting has nothing to do with church! The church people, and the church building can become all things to all men!

And the church should be the place that is open and looking for and creating the platforms for their people to get more involved and sharing with everyone else what God is doing in them. Its this sharing that launches people into changing their lives forever because of the good news! Its time for the lines to be blurred because Pastors can't pastor everyone at their church. no staff can adequately do what the modern day pastor has been told to do… meet their needs! We are the body, and we need to start meeting needs when we see them instead of taking the stance, “thats what he/she gets paid for”.
Peace
Tony

]]> By: @kylelreed http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2675 @kylelreed Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:22:44 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2675 Well through multiple conversations with my dad I came up with that.<br>You can use it as long as you pay royalty fees in the form of iTunes gift cards.<br>Just kidding, ya go for it. Well through multiple conversations with my dad I came up with that.
You can use it as long as you pay royalty fees in the form of iTunes gift cards.
Just kidding, ya go for it.

]]> By: Justin Wise http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2674 Justin Wise Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:18:00 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2674 Kyle ... LOVE that language. Expert > Community. Awesome. Did you come up with that yourself? If so, can I steal it? :) Kyle … LOVE that language. Expert > Community. Awesome. Did you come up with that yourself? If so, can I steal it? :)

]]> By: @kylelreed http://bedeviant.com/closed-platforms-are-dead/comment-page-1#comment-2673 @kylelreed Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:14:29 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=2234#comment-2673 I think we are moving from an expert type church to a community church model.<br>Meaning that everyone is now called to take part.<br>Before you could go to church and consume, now you are called to partake. I think we are moving from an expert type church to a community church model.
Meaning that everyone is now called to take part.
Before you could go to church and consume, now you are called to partake.

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