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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/21st-pw/comment-page-1#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I a pastor&#039;s husband, I have it easy.  I am a youth pastor at another church 20 miles away, so I see very little of my wife&#039;s congregation.  To some of her newer members, I am a mythical figure and I have been accused of being an actor she hires to &quot;play&quot; her husband.  It&#039;s probably a good thing, because I&#039;m not sure what the churches expectations would be if I was ever around.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I a pastor&#039;s husband, I have it easy.  I am a youth pastor at another church 20 miles away, so I see very little of my wife&#039;s congregation.  To some of her newer members, I am a mythical figure and I have been accused of being an actor she hires to &quot;play&quot; her husband.  It&#039;s probably a good thing, because I&#039;m not sure what the churches expectations would be if I was ever around.</p>
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		<title>By: MW P Wife</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/21st-pw/comment-page-1#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>MW P Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 02:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This woman need to write a book!!  Kudos to her for being able to seperate it all in such a wonderful way.  Props to her! </description>
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		<title>By: sara_vanscoy</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/21st-pw/comment-page-1#comment-1336</link>
		<dc:creator>sara_vanscoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jason - graduating in six days now.... wow! 
 
i don&#039;t know - robbie and i have been married for (nearly) 20 years - we have always worked together - we met in medical school - did our psychiatry residencies together - served together in the Air Force and have practiced together pretty much ever since... we actually like working together - i think that is, for us, part of being married - really liking each other...  
 
as far as career aspirations breaking folks up... i personally think all of that has to do more with human pride than anything else and that it can and does happen in the church just as often as it does in the secular world... it works for robbie and me because we both recognize and appreciate our strengths and weaknesses... 
 
sara </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jason &#8211; graduating in six days now&#8230;. wow! </p>
<p>i don&#039;t know &#8211; robbie and i have been married for (nearly) 20 years &#8211; we have always worked together &#8211; we met in medical school &#8211; did our psychiatry residencies together &#8211; served together in the Air Force and have practiced together pretty much ever since&#8230; we actually like working together &#8211; i think that is, for us, part of being married &#8211; really liking each other&#8230;  </p>
<p>as far as career aspirations breaking folks up&#8230; i personally think all of that has to do more with human pride than anything else and that it can and does happen in the church just as often as it does in the secular world&#8230; it works for robbie and me because we both recognize and appreciate our strengths and weaknesses&#8230; </p>
<p>sara</p>
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		<title>By: sara_vanscoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara_vanscoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 01:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i did read it and appreciate the nothing but love part... but we just never talk about pastor&#039;s hubbies and i think that is a crying shame... 
 
one of my family&#039;s dirty little secrets is that every Monday night from January to May we all gather around the TV to watch 24... this season has fascinated me with the woman president - but what was even more fascinating was how hard the writers had to work to find any role for the first gentleman and how quickly they marginalized him.  i think it is the same for the pastor&#039;s husband - we don&#039;t talk much about it because it is just easier to marginalize them - i don&#039;t fully understand why it is, but do know that it happens... and it&#039;s painful both for the husbands and for the wives they work so hard to support- add to that, pastor&#039;s husband have virtually no support system... it&#039;s a tough gig and a rare guy who is up to the challenge... i am fortunate to have one of them... 
 
sara 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i did read it and appreciate the nothing but love part&#8230; but we just never talk about pastor&#039;s hubbies and i think that is a crying shame&#8230; </p>
<p>one of my family&#039;s dirty little secrets is that every Monday night from January to May we all gather around the TV to watch 24&#8230; this season has fascinated me with the woman president &#8211; but what was even more fascinating was how hard the writers had to work to find any role for the first gentleman and how quickly they marginalized him.  i think it is the same for the pastor&#039;s husband &#8211; we don&#039;t talk much about it because it is just easier to marginalize them &#8211; i don&#039;t fully understand why it is, but do know that it happens&#8230; and it&#039;s painful both for the husbands and for the wives they work so hard to support- add to that, pastor&#039;s husband have virtually no support system&#8230; it&#039;s a tough gig and a rare guy who is up to the challenge&#8230; i am fortunate to have one of them&#8230; </p>
<p>sara</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 09:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here is Denise&#039;s reply (She sent it to me via email, but it is a response to Justin&#039;s post (and my comment):  
  
&lt;b&gt;&quot;Jay - first I&#039;m touched by your comments about me and also humbled. While I can definitely relate to all points of the &quot;Pastor&#039;s Wives&quot; post, I can say for me I have made a choice not to allow other people&#039;s expectations or opinions to define me.  Have I been referred to as something other than &quot;Denise&quot;?  Yes!  But that can sometimes be fun and have benefits. :)  Do people sometimes act weird around me because I&#039;m the Pastor&#039;s wife?  Absolutely - but that is their issue - not mine - and trust me the &quot;issue&quot; has nothing to do with who I am!!  As far as relating better to people not in our church -- I do disagree.  Do I have relationships outside of our church - Yes, and great ones at that - but I chose to live in community (do life) with the people in my church.  True community is risky for anyone - no different for me just because I&#039;m married to the Pastor.  If I don&#039;t believe in living in community with my church family - then how can I expect anyone else to?  I can&#039;t encourage people to do something I&#039;m not willing to do!    As far as &quot;rich&quot; not being in the vocabulary of the PW - depends on your definition of &quot;monetarily rich.&quot;  If being financially rich was my goal, then I probably needed to marry a Dr., Lawyer or a Millionaire of some kind.  But I didn&#039;t marry for money - or to be placed in the &quot;rich&quot; category.  I married because God gave me a wonderful man to love, help and serve with.  Why would I need to be monetarily rich in the pastorate?  I would much rather allow God the opportunity to surprise me with one of His many amazing blessings often sent through His people than have the $$ in the bank.  Besides, It&#039;s all His anyways!!! His surprise blessings have always been bigger and cost more than I could have ever financially afforded in life!   
  
As far as being uncomfortable in a conversation with four letter words then they ask what my husband does -- I may be weird, but I love it for two reasons 1. Their reaction (which can be hysterical!) and 2. The opportunity to share my story and what God has and is doing in my life.  I have creative opportunities to do that in those situations that others will never have.  To me it&#039;s a benefit because when they find out I am the PW, (depending on how I respond) they will often open up in a way that maybe they never have with anyone before. On some level, everyone is searching for something and if I can&#039;t get past whatever technique they use for shock factor with me, then how can I be Jesus to them?  
  
Sorry for the long post, but that&#039;s how I see it from my &quot;pew&quot;!  :p As far as the expectations of the PW - who cares - I&#039;m me - created uniquely by the One and Only Almighty God to bring glory to His name in the way that only I can!!   I have to be the part of the body He&#039;s made me to be.  If I don&#039;t (even because of people&#039;s expectations of me) then I am causing the body of Christ not to function as He desires it to!    
  
Do I have &quot;moments&quot; - sure - who doesn&#039;t? Do I experience pain in the Pastorate? Absolutely, but it&#039;s in the pain that God grows me.  Without it, I don&#039;t stand a chance of becoming Christ-like in the process. Do I sometimes wish I were anonymous -no- because as a Christ follower my light should shine bright - whether I&#039;m the PW or not!  As for the &quot;someone is always watching me&quot; feeling,  yes - someone is always watching us - but hopefully I don&#039;t see it that way because I&#039;m a &quot;PW&quot; but rather because maybe they see something different in me they long to possess.  There have always been expectations upon the PW and always will be.  The way I see it, I have a choice of living under them or not.  The advantage I see that the 21st century PW has is she is not alone and she has way more freedoms, advantages, love, support and resources today to be the woman God has called her to be than ever before!  To steal from J&amp;K+8 -It&#039;s a hard life - but it&#039;s my life - and at the end of the day I could not be happier being anything other than who God made me to be and the role He has given me to play!&quot;&lt;/b&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here is Denise&#39;s reply (She sent it to me via email, but it is a response to Justin&#39;s post (and my comment):  </p>
<p><b>&quot;Jay &#8211; first I&#39;m touched by your comments about me and also humbled. While I can definitely relate to all points of the &quot;Pastor&#39;s Wives&quot; post, I can say for me I have made a choice not to allow other people&#39;s expectations or opinions to define me.  Have I been referred to as something other than &quot;Denise&quot;?  Yes!  But that can sometimes be fun and have benefits. <img src='http://bedeviant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Do people sometimes act weird around me because I&#39;m the Pastor&#39;s wife?  Absolutely &#8211; but that is their issue &#8211; not mine &#8211; and trust me the &quot;issue&quot; has nothing to do with who I am!!  As far as relating better to people not in our church &#8212; I do disagree.  Do I have relationships outside of our church &#8211; Yes, and great ones at that &#8211; but I chose to live in community (do life) with the people in my church.  True community is risky for anyone &#8211; no different for me just because I&#39;m married to the Pastor.  If I don&#39;t believe in living in community with my church family &#8211; then how can I expect anyone else to?  I can&#39;t encourage people to do something I&#39;m not willing to do!    As far as &quot;rich&quot; not being in the vocabulary of the PW &#8211; depends on your definition of &quot;monetarily rich.&quot;  If being financially rich was my goal, then I probably needed to marry a Dr., Lawyer or a Millionaire of some kind.  But I didn&#39;t marry for money &#8211; or to be placed in the &quot;rich&quot; category.  I married because God gave me a wonderful man to love, help and serve with.  Why would I need to be monetarily rich in the pastorate?  I would much rather allow God the opportunity to surprise me with one of His many amazing blessings often sent through His people than have the $$ in the bank.  Besides, It&#39;s all His anyways!!! His surprise blessings have always been bigger and cost more than I could have ever financially afforded in life!   </p>
<p>As far as being uncomfortable in a conversation with four letter words then they ask what my husband does &#8212; I may be weird, but I love it for two reasons 1. Their reaction (which can be hysterical!) and 2. The opportunity to share my story and what God has and is doing in my life.  I have creative opportunities to do that in those situations that others will never have.  To me it&#39;s a benefit because when they find out I am the PW, (depending on how I respond) they will often open up in a way that maybe they never have with anyone before. On some level, everyone is searching for something and if I can&#39;t get past whatever technique they use for shock factor with me, then how can I be Jesus to them?  </p>
<p>Sorry for the long post, but that&#39;s how I see it from my &quot;pew&quot;!  :p As far as the expectations of the PW &#8211; who cares &#8211; I&#39;m me &#8211; created uniquely by the One and Only Almighty God to bring glory to His name in the way that only I can!!   I have to be the part of the body He&#39;s made me to be.  If I don&#39;t (even because of people&#39;s expectations of me) then I am causing the body of Christ not to function as He desires it to!    </p>
<p>Do I have &quot;moments&quot; &#8211; sure &#8211; who doesn&#39;t? Do I experience pain in the Pastorate? Absolutely, but it&#39;s in the pain that God grows me.  Without it, I don&#39;t stand a chance of becoming Christ-like in the process. Do I sometimes wish I were anonymous -no- because as a Christ follower my light should shine bright &#8211; whether I&#39;m the PW or not!  As for the &quot;someone is always watching me&quot; feeling,  yes &#8211; someone is always watching us &#8211; but hopefully I don&#39;t see it that way because I&#39;m a &quot;PW&quot; but rather because maybe they see something different in me they long to possess.  There have always been expectations upon the PW and always will be.  The way I see it, I have a choice of living under them or not.  The advantage I see that the 21st century PW has is she is not alone and she has way more freedoms, advantages, love, support and resources today to be the woman God has called her to be than ever before!  To steal from J&amp;K+8 -It&#39;s a hard life &#8211; but it&#39;s my life &#8211; and at the end of the day I could not be happier being anything other than who God made me to be and the role He has given me to play!&quot;</b></p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 04:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no! I didn&#039;t think you were being rude at all! Your comments actually made me think, &quot;Let&#039;s see what she has to say.&quot; I thought they were helpful.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no! I didn&#039;t think you were being rude at all! Your comments actually made me think, &quot;Let&#039;s see what she has to say.&quot; I thought they were helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Starrdark</title>
		<link>http://bedeviant.com/21st-pw/comment-page-1#comment-1307</link>
		<dc:creator>Starrdark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest misconception ? Only one?  
 
People who think my name is &quot;Our Pastor&#039;s Wife,&quot; really, really bother me. That one&#039;s at the top of the list of nearly every clergy wife I know --- and I would be interested whether clergy husbands have the same problem. 
 
Financial misconceptions are probably next on the list. This would be the widespread belief that the Pastor&#039;s family can afford the same level of lifestyle as the prominent church members on a fraction of their salary. As if the pastor&#039;s family gets some special  mortgage rate, and that fantasy &quot;clergy discount&quot; at Kroger, Wal-Mart, and L.L.Bean! 
.......................... &lt;a href=&quot;http://sidekicks.ning.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://sidekicks.ning.com&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest misconception ? Only one?  </p>
<p>People who think my name is &quot;Our Pastor&#039;s Wife,&quot; really, really bother me. That one&#039;s at the top of the list of nearly every clergy wife I know &#8212; and I would be interested whether clergy husbands have the same problem. </p>
<p>Financial misconceptions are probably next on the list. This would be the widespread belief that the Pastor&#039;s family can afford the same level of lifestyle as the prominent church members on a fraction of their salary. As if the pastor&#039;s family gets some special  mortgage rate, and that fantasy &quot;clergy discount&quot; at Kroger, Wal-Mart, and L.L.Bean!<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. <a href="http://sidekicks.ning.com" target="_blank">http://sidekicks.ning.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Starrdark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starrdark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect some of these &quot;What if&#039;s&quot; depend on the specific church or denomination&#039;s culture. Beer with dinner? No problem for Presbyterians or Episcopalians. Baptists or Nazarene? That&#039;s entirely different.  Jeans or suit? In my experience, that might be more specific to the local community.  
 
Involvement with the ministry might be more of an issue that touches all of us clergy spouses. I think it takes a strong personality to withstand expectations about being visible every time the church door is unlocked, and a lot of spouses struggle with that. 
 ........................  &lt;a href=&quot;http://sidekicks.ning.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://sidekicks.ning.com&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect some of these &quot;What if&#039;s&quot; depend on the specific church or denomination&#039;s culture. Beer with dinner? No problem for Presbyterians or Episcopalians. Baptists or Nazarene? That&#039;s entirely different.  Jeans or suit? In my experience, that might be more specific to the local community.  </p>
<p>Involvement with the ministry might be more of an issue that touches all of us clergy spouses. I think it takes a strong personality to withstand expectations about being visible every time the church door is unlocked, and a lot of spouses struggle with that.<br />
 &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  <a href="http://sidekicks.ning.com" target="_blank">http://sidekicks.ning.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: MW P Wife</title>
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		<dc:creator>MW P Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I re-read my post and didn&#039;t want that to come off rude to you!!  I&#039;m just curious b/c I know it&#039;s a tough microscope to be under.  The women who do it gracefully are amazing, but at the core.... I would what it feels like.  Clearly, she must not take herself too seriously which is great!  I know I just wonder how they deal with it all behind the scenes b/c it&#039;s tough to be in front of the scenes so often! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-read my post and didn&#039;t want that to come off rude to you!!  I&#039;m just curious b/c I know it&#039;s a tough microscope to be under.  The women who do it gracefully are amazing, but at the core&#8230;. I would what it feels like.  Clearly, she must not take herself too seriously which is great!  I know I just wonder how they deal with it all behind the scenes b/c it&#039;s tough to be in front of the scenes so often!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Wise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Wise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really enjoyed your comment, Kristen... Thanks for giving us this snapshot into your life! 
 
If nothing else, I hope you can read here and in Amy&#039;s post that you&#039;re not alone!  
 
What would you say is the biggest misconception about pastors or pastors spouses? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really enjoyed your comment, Kristen&#8230; Thanks for giving us this snapshot into your life! </p>
<p>If nothing else, I hope you can read here and in Amy&#039;s post that you&#039;re not alone!  </p>
<p>What would you say is the biggest misconception about pastors or pastors spouses?</p>
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