Comments on: The 21st Century Church: The Pastor http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor Faith & Culture Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:29:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: A. Amos Love http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-4601 A. Amos Love Mon, 24 May 2010 03:51:39 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-4601 “What you’re doing is not good! You are creating a culture of burn-out and depression … Stop!”<br><br>Much agreement with Brodie - <br>"Pastor & CEO in a pulpit" model is NOT working...<br>Calling a - 501 (c) 3, non-profit, tax $ deductible, Religious $ Corporation,<br>"The Church of God" is NOT working...<br><br>Should we call a Corporation - "The Church." AAAARRRGGGHHH! ;-)<br><br>Is it possible the reason “Burnout” is such a problem<br>for **Today’s** “Pastor/Leader” is they have found themselves<br><br>with a “Title” and “Position” NOT found in the Bible?<br><br>Did anyone have the “Title” “pastor” in the Bible?<br>Was anyone ordained a “pastor” in the Bible?<br>Were any congregations “led” by a “pastor” in the Bible?<br><br>And every “pastor” I’ve met also had the “Title” “Reverend.”<br><br>Does anyone have the “Title” Reverend in the Bible?<br><br>Does anyone have the “Title” and “Position” – “Pastor/Leader” – in the Bible?<br><br>Jesus taught “His Disciples” NOT to be called “Master/Leader”<br>For you have “ONE” “Master/Leader” The Christ. Mat 23:8-10 KJV<br><br>Ezekiel 14:1-7, speaks about “Idols of the Heart,”<br>and now God will speak to us according to the “Idols of our Heart.”<br>Has that “Title” “Pastor/Leader” become an “Idol?”<br><br>In my experience…<br><br>Titles become Idols.<br>Pastors become Masters.<br><br>Heavy weights on shoulders NOT easy to lay down.<br><br>And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:<br>them also I must bring, and they shall “hear my voice;”<br>and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.<br>John 10:16<br><br>One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.<br>If Not Now, When?<br><br>Be blessed in your search for Truth… Jesus. “What you’re doing is not good! You are creating a culture of burn-out and depression … Stop!”

Much agreement with Brodie –
“Pastor & CEO in a pulpit” model is NOT working…
Calling a – 501 (c) 3, non-profit, tax $ deductible, Religious $ Corporation,
“The Church of God” is NOT working…

Should we call a Corporation – “The Church.” AAAARRRGGGHHH! ;-)

Is it possible the reason “Burnout” is such a problem
for **Today’s** “Pastor/Leader” is they have found themselves

with a “Title” and “Position” NOT found in the Bible?

Did anyone have the “Title” “pastor” in the Bible?
Was anyone ordained a “pastor” in the Bible?
Were any congregations “led” by a “pastor” in the Bible?

And every “pastor” I’ve met also had the “Title” “Reverend.”

Does anyone have the “Title” Reverend in the Bible?

Does anyone have the “Title” and “Position” – “Pastor/Leader” – in the Bible?

Jesus taught “His Disciples” NOT to be called “Master/Leader”
For you have “ONE” “Master/Leader” The Christ. Mat 23:8-10 KJV

Ezekiel 14:1-7, speaks about “Idols of the Heart,”
and now God will speak to us according to the “Idols of our Heart.”
Has that “Title” “Pastor/Leader” become an “Idol?”

In my experience…

Titles become Idols.
Pastors become Masters.

Heavy weights on shoulders NOT easy to lay down.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall “hear my voice;”
and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.
John 10:16

One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
If Not Now, When?

Be blessed in your search for Truth… Jesus.

]]> By: A. Amos Love http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-3821 A. Amos Love Sun, 23 May 2010 22:51:39 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-3821 “What you’re doing is not good! You are creating a culture of burn-out and depression … Stop!”<br><br>Much agreement with Brodie - <br>"Pastor & CEO in a pulpit" model is NOT working...<br>Calling a - 501 (c) 3, non-profit, tax $ deductible, Religious $ Corporation,<br>"The Church of God" is NOT working...<br><br>Should we call a Corporation - "The Church." AAAARRRGGGHHH! ;-)<br><br>Is it possible the reason “Burnout” is such a problem<br>for **Today’s** “Pastor/Leader” is they have found themselves<br><br>with a “Title” and “Position” NOT found in the Bible?<br><br>Did anyone have the “Title” “pastor” in the Bible?<br>Was anyone ordained a “pastor” in the Bible?<br>Were any congregations “led” by a “pastor” in the Bible?<br><br>And every “pastor” I’ve met also had the “Title” “Reverend.”<br><br>Does anyone have the “Title” Reverend in the Bible?<br><br>Does anyone have the “Title” and “Position” – “Pastor/Leader” – in the Bible?<br><br>Jesus taught “His Disciples” NOT to be called “Master/Leader”<br>For you have “ONE” “Master/Leader” The Christ. Mat 23:8-10 KJV<br><br>Ezekiel 14:1-7, speaks about “Idols of the Heart,”<br>and now God will speak to us according to the “Idols of our Heart.”<br>Has that “Title” “Pastor/Leader” become an “Idol?”<br><br>In my experience…<br><br>Titles become Idols.<br>Pastors become Masters.<br><br>Heavy weights on shoulders NOT easy to lay down.<br><br>And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:<br>them also I must bring, and they shall “hear my voice;”<br>and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.<br>John 10:16<br><br>One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.<br>If Not Now, When?<br><br>Be blessed in your search for Truth… Jesus. “What you’re doing is not good! You are creating a culture of burn-out and depression … Stop!”

Much agreement with Brodie –
“Pastor & CEO in a pulpit” model is NOT working…
Calling a – 501 (c) 3, non-profit, tax $ deductible, Religious $ Corporation,
“The Church of God” is NOT working…

Should we call a Corporation – “The Church.” AAAARRRGGGHHH! ;-)

Is it possible the reason “Burnout” is such a problem
for **Today’s** “Pastor/Leader” is they have found themselves

with a “Title” and “Position” NOT found in the Bible?

Did anyone have the “Title” “pastor” in the Bible?
Was anyone ordained a “pastor” in the Bible?
Were any congregations “led” by a “pastor” in the Bible?

And every “pastor” I’ve met also had the “Title” “Reverend.”

Does anyone have the “Title” Reverend in the Bible?

Does anyone have the “Title” and “Position” – “Pastor/Leader” – in the Bible?

Jesus taught “His Disciples” NOT to be called “Master/Leader”
For you have “ONE” “Master/Leader” The Christ. Mat 23:8-10 KJV

Ezekiel 14:1-7, speaks about “Idols of the Heart,”
and now God will speak to us according to the “Idols of our Heart.”
Has that “Title” “Pastor/Leader” become an “Idol?”

In my experience…

Titles become Idols.
Pastors become Masters.

Heavy weights on shoulders NOT easy to lay down.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall “hear my voice;”
and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.
John 10:16

One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
If Not Now, When?

Be blessed in your search for Truth… Jesus.

]]> By: Joanna http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1278 Joanna Wed, 20 May 2009 17:44:54 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1278 One thing I noticed right away is that there were people who inferred that they felt I would quit my full time job to just be a "pastors wife" as soon as my husband and I got married (definitely not the case!) but most people haven't said anything (to me) about their ideas of what I should/shouldn't be doing in the church. I think some of the biggest misconceptions (from people in general, not necessarily our congregation) about pastor's wives is that they've got everything figured out, have all the answers, know just what to say at the right time, etc... If you want to get a broader view on things that various pastors wives face, check out: <a href="http://www.withpurpose.com/2005/08/01/you-know-your-a-pastors-wife-when-2/" target="_blank">http://www.withpurpose.com/2005/08/01/you-know-yo...</a> It's a posting by a woman who used to be a pastors wife, she just talks about things that are pretty standing for pastors wives... but all of the responses after her post show many, many sides to what it's like... some are hysterical, some are heartbreaking... One thing I noticed right away is that there were people who inferred that they felt I would quit my full time job to just be a "pastors wife" as soon as my husband and I got married (definitely not the case!) but most people haven't said anything (to me) about their ideas of what I should/shouldn't be doing in the church.
I think some of the biggest misconceptions (from people in general, not necessarily our congregation) about pastor's wives is that they've got everything figured out, have all the answers, know just what to say at the right time, etc…
If you want to get a broader view on things that various pastors wives face, check out: http://www.withpurpose.com/2005/08/01/you-know-yo…
It's a posting by a woman who used to be a pastors wife, she just talks about things that are pretty standing for pastors wives… but all of the responses after her post show many, many sides to what it's like… some are hysterical, some are heartbreaking…

]]> By: Barb http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1277 Barb Wed, 20 May 2009 17:07:24 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1277 I have to admit I got a little aggrevated when I read your post. Do you think that other people's jobs don't require sacrifice? I have to admit I got a little aggrevated when I read your post. Do you think that other people's jobs don't require sacrifice?

]]> By: Justin Wise http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1276 Justin Wise Wed, 20 May 2009 16:27:36 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1276 Joanna... Being a pastor's wife, what would you say is the biggest misconception people have about your role and relationship with the church? Joanna… Being a pastor's wife, what would you say is the biggest misconception people have about your role and relationship with the church?

]]> By: Justin Wise http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1275 Justin Wise Wed, 20 May 2009 16:26:46 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1275 PS - what's a nine-commandment pastor anyways? PS – what's a nine-commandment pastor anyways?

]]> By: Daniel_Berman http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1270 Daniel_Berman Wed, 20 May 2009 05:24:48 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1270 Excellent Post! I would love to hear from some of our brothers and sister in the rest of the world beyond N. America and Europe concerning they face in regards to their pastors. My guess is that we would probably find some commonalities, and perhaps some answers to the questions that are running through many peoples heads rightly so in regards to the questions which have been raised here. Excellent Post! I would love to hear from some of our brothers and sister in the rest of the world beyond N. America and Europe concerning they face in regards to their pastors. My guess is that we would probably find some commonalities, and perhaps some answers to the questions that are running through many peoples heads rightly so in regards to the questions which have been raised here.

]]> By: Chad Ryan http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1268 Chad Ryan Tue, 19 May 2009 19:45:39 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1268 Wow, the Exodus 18 reference is great, and so is this post. Wow, the Exodus 18 reference is great, and so is this post.

]]> By: brodie http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1266 brodie Tue, 19 May 2009 18:02:14 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1266 i am wondering if our church structure is not ready for something new. the church in the west adopted a business model for doing "church" complete with a pastor as CEO and the smorgasbord of programming, blah, blah, blah. i wonder if church should not adopt another "thing" to model itself after. perhaps a "family" where everyone does their part for the whole. which brings me to my next question...in this model would we need paid clergy? how many of us who have sunk major cash into seminary training would have/be willing to serve the church as a teacher or care giver or administrator or worship leader free of charge? Just us serving the church the way God gifted us (much the same way so many of my friends serve)? is there a better way? i am wondering if our church structure is not ready for something new. the church in the west adopted a business model for doing "church" complete with a pastor as CEO and the smorgasbord of programming, blah, blah, blah. i wonder if church should not adopt another "thing" to model itself after. perhaps a "family" where everyone does their part for the whole. which brings me to my next question…in this model would we need paid clergy? how many of us who have sunk major cash into seminary training would have/be willing to serve the church as a teacher or care giver or administrator or worship leader free of charge? Just us serving the church the way God gifted us (much the same way so many of my friends serve)?

is there a better way?

]]> By: Joanna http://bedeviant.com/21st-pastor/comment-page-1#comment-1265 Joanna Tue, 19 May 2009 17:53:25 +0000 http://www.bedeviant.com/?p=1039#comment-1265 As a pastors wife, I have seen a lot of this stuff firsthand, and it's never pretty.... I love your comment of how pastors are "fellow brother or sister in Christ with a different “Kingdom job description”–not better (or worse), just different. "... so important for people to realize that! With that realization comes another one - that each role in the church must be fulfilled for it to function properly (not just the pastor's!). The pastor isn't any more important than anyone else, so it's just as important for ushers to ush (?) faithfully, for childcare workers to do that faithfully, etc... no role is more important than the other, each person's gotta step up so the pastor can fulfill his role as God intended! Great post. As a pastors wife, I have seen a lot of this stuff firsthand, and it's never pretty…. I love your comment of how pastors are "fellow brother or sister in Christ with a different “Kingdom job description”–not better (or worse), just different. "… so important for people to realize that! With that realization comes another one – that each role in the church must be fulfilled for it to function properly (not just the pastor's!). The pastor isn't any more important than anyone else, so it's just as important for ushers to ush (?) faithfully, for childcare workers to do that faithfully, etc… no role is more important than the other, each person's gotta step up so the pastor can fulfill his role as God intended!
Great post.

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